Why I could never be a liberal.

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By tony0724

From Terrorists to Professor. Isn't this country great ?

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My earliest memories of liberalism.

Being born in 1960 I was a mere child when we probably went through what I consider to be the most significant era of social change which was in fact the decade of the 1960s. I cannot recall the significant events of the early 60s like JFK and Bob Dylan hitting the scene.And in fact in the corridors of my mind most of my memories are just brief clips of time. The unrest and tragedy of Vietnam I remember being shown by Walter Cronkite and the Ed Sullivan show , the Smothers Brothers and the sad and tragic assassinations of Bobby Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King were clips I recalled and the sadness that came with them. There was a plethora of events that came with that era. And one of the aspects of that era that will always stick with me was the hippies of the 60s . I remember the long hair , the bell bottoms, Peter Max posters and of course the landmark music that came out of that time.

I really used to dig the hippies. And I thought that whole atmosphere was too cool. Because those hippies were all about peace and love and " Give Peace a Chance ". And even though I was young and really only cared about being hall monitor at my school and Willie Mays, I was well aware of one thing. And that one thing I was aware of was that the hippies just wanted us on this whole planet to give each other one big collective hug. And that was something I could totally get behind. And quite frankly even today I could totally support that type of sentiment. And the hippies of back then as far as I am concerned had it right. My Mom is a Liberal and she was kinda of hippie-lite if you will. And as most of you know as obnoxious and hard headed as I can be , I love my Mom. These were the Liberals that I would first be aware of in my young life and I was happy to have an offbeat if you will association with Liberals. But as life and decades have passed I know one thing. That the Liberals that I was aware of back then in my early life resemble not one Iota the Liberals that I see in life in the Internet age.

 The good news is that, according to the Obama administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama administration, you're rich

                                                       P J O ROURKE

 

This is what I used to think of as a Liberal

The anti God bunch

As time went on and we progressed to the 1970s that peace and love movement morphed into something that was entirely different from the " Woodstock " era. And it was at this time when liberalism took an ugly turn. We got the Chicago Seven and the Weather Underground. The ACLU started getting into the public consciousness. And going on their anti God crusade. Which first and foremost is my biggest gripe with liberal Ideology. The antipathy and dare I say blatant contempt for God and Jesus and Christianity in general. They won't admit it but they look down on people who are so deluded that they would believe in something such as a supreme being and the son of God. And that the Bible is just a 2000 year old piece of fiction on par with Moby Dick by Melville. The modern Liberal basically thinks that they are intellectually superior. Only they will use terms like " Rational Philosophy " and " Pragmatic Reasoning " and other synonomous titles. And if you so as much declare that you believe in a God you immediately get labeled " Gun Toting Fundamentalist Christian " . Because they immediately have a need to pigeonhole you into a stereotype. And I am not a shining example of Christianity to be sure.In fact I rarely go to church. Nor am I what one would call Intellectually deep thinking. But I do believe in a God and I have a very clear sense of right and wrong. So if things like the value of family , a hard work ethic and personal responsibility, and feeling I will be accountable for how I conducted myself in this life are antiquated notions, I will be happy to be intellectually inferior to all these supposed great thinkers. I am not particularly impressed with great thinkers, I am more impressed with action.

And when issues like a cross on a hill where I live or praying in a park or even these days saying the pledge of allegiance in school comes up it is all about " Separation of Church and State ". Which somehow they have convinced themselves is in the bill of rights. And Libs while claiming to be anti religion will always take up the defense of any other religion that is not Christianity because all of a sudden they bust out the bill of rights and cite " Freedom of Religion ". I guess in the modern age the first amendment applies to any religion that is not Christian. There is a term for that " Hypocrisy ". They say quit shoving religion down their throats. I say quit shoving your secularism down mine.

I proclaim that as we keep asking God to remove himself from our social consciousness God has been happy to accomodate us and Gods removal is directly proportional to the ever growing chaos and danger of life on this globe . You gonna sit here and tell me things are getting better ?

 Every adolescent has that dream every century has that dream every revolutionary has that dream, to destroy the family

                                           Gertrude Stein

 

 A modern revolutionary group heads for the television station.

                                        Abbie Hoffman

More Government please !

Living in the polarized society of today is a trick endeavor. Now any Dept of Government seems to be telling us exactly how we should live. I kid you not I was watching a press conference where Kathryn Sebilius was instructing the press on how to cough into your sleeve. Talk about arrogance ! But basically the DHS, EPA and other assorted Departments are now setting down mandates that give us instructions on how to live. I thought laws were made by congress and the states. Silly me what was I thinking ? The hippies of yesteryear were Liberals who believed in small Government and less intervention. So by definition I guess I would fall under the Liberal category. Although they would never invite me to dinner I am sure. Todays Liberal wants Government intervention in every aspect of your life and now the Tea Party is the small Government bunch. So basically Liberal Ideology is the new establishment thinking and the former establishment is now considered the radical element in this country. If you believe that marriage is between one man and one woman you are an extremist now. If you believe that putting a mosque at groundzero is offensive you are an extremist. And if you believe you should be able to keep more of what you make by your efforts or believe that the second amendment protects your right to own a gun you are an extremist. Patriotism is now the new fringe. Loving the country of your origin is now considered blasphemous. You think this kind of thinking a bit extreme ? Well let's take a quick look , the Tea Party bunch has been labeled everything up to and including the new third reich. And we are told by the liberal media that they are dangerous and fanatical. For example the first video here was from the G-20 summit in Toronto as Libs were protesting all the evil coroporate powers. The second is from one of those rabid and violent Tea Party demonstrations I always hear about. I would like to point out that tear gas has never been used at a Tea Party demonstration and if it ever is in the future I suspect it will be because those in opposition to the Tea Party with their counter demonstrations will be the ones who coerce such actions.

A peace loving Liberal Rally

One of those viscious and violent Tea Party rallys.

Now before we go any further I want to state this very clearly it is not Liberals I do not like , it is their tenets I do not like in the modern age. Because as I have stated emphatically the Liberals of my childhood in no way resemble the Liberals of the modern age. And because I like the Tea Party many here will try to point out how they are just tools of the Koch Brothers and I will in turn say that George Soros who probably has way more money also uses Liberals of today for tools as he gives you sites like Media Matters and now NPR and other assorted Liberal causes to engineer social chaos in order to exploit that opportunity to have more financial gain on the country that happens to be in calamity at any given time. Remember how he manipulated the British Sterling ? So it cuts both ways.

I know that there are probably many points I could see eye to eye on with Liberals. Who doesn't want a cleaner planet ? Only a fool would keep polluting with impunity. Who does not want a better world ? Only a psycho would want the status quo. I believe in Capitalism but not the " Unfettered Capitalism " of the Milton Friedman crowd. Because mans heart tends to be dark we need some degree of regulation and oversight. I don't like the fact that children go to bed hungry in our country as we give aid with money we don't have to despots all over the world to prop up our interests. I don't like the fact that when a person needs their healthcare the most a insurance company will drop them. I find that to be immoral ! Yes I want people to have healthcare. But for those who think that this healthcare bill is great, I want to ask you a couple of questions. Why did their need to be a provision in there that any business with a transaction over $600.00 had to do a 1099 ? How in the f**k does hiring additional IRS agents improve yours and my medical care in any way ? I believe in helping the poor and watching over our seniors. But I want to say this about social programs. I do believe I have a moral responsibility to help the poor get back on their feet, I do not have a moral responsibility to carry them ! Do you think it would have been possible for this country to come about with the type of entitlement mentality we have now ? The younger crowd coming out of our schools now not only believe this they come out of our schools with an attitude that the world owes them something.

Liberal Ideology now consists of terms like fairness and social justice now. And I like fairness too , but I live in the real world and from where I sit life has never been fair and no matter how much you try to make it that way it will not happen. And when I hear someone talking about social justice I do not hear someone with a nice Ideal , I hear someone with an axe to grind. I am not a Republican and I am certainly not a Democrat. I used to be till Democrats went so far the other way that they no longer represented my world view. Now I do want to say this it would be nice to have a utopia here in the USA that Liberal Ideology thinks they embrace where all was fair and equal. But it too would never work. And that is because no matter how close to that Ideal we came , there will always be one who wants a little bigger slice of the pie. That's human nature. The maladies of the human condition are on display 24/7 in real time now and all of us are seeing the results. In my state which is liberally dominated they find it more Imperative to outlaw Mcdonalds then put a child molester with a long history to death. We just elected an Attorney General who will be sure to come down hard on what few businesses are left here in California , but won't bother too come down hard on cop killers in her own former city. We would rather protect the Delta Smelt then allow water to flow to the central valley so farmers can grow food in a world that grows short of food. If these are Liberal Tenets I say no thanks , I will stick to my simple minded , God fearing , hard work and personal responsibility principles that I believe in. I have said it before I am not to impressed across the board with either party at this point. And I am even less impressed with these Ivy league educated talking heads calling the shots these days. A higher education apparently from what I observe does not make you smart. So these are just a few reasons I could never be a liberal. Because it seems when I turn on the television these open minded deep thinking individuals engage in one type of dialogue , HATE ! But I am still willing to try to find common solutions to both our problems. Liberals are God's kids too.

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Wesman Todd Shaw profile image

Wesman Todd Shaw 15 months ago

Anarchy is more feasible. Why must everything be either tea or cool aide?

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DiamondRN 15 months ago

Hear! Hear, Tony!

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Wesman and Todd thank you both for kicking off the hub. I am waiting for the hate fest now.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 15 months ago

hehehhehe. You'll likely get one, but I'll be no part of it. My personal reality, the reality that exists for everyone; is that both parties are completely controlled by corporations and international banksters; so there is no reason to get excited about either one. We're doomed, America will become part of this NWO thing that our very Presidents have been talking about for years.

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G-Ma Johnson Level 4 Commenter 15 months ago

it would help if people ( & the gov't) would just get back to basic's and be FAIR about things...I don't want to get started..Nice hub my dear...:O) Hugs G-Ma

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

WTS I myself have become resigned to that type of thinking myself. The truth is they already are in charge.But it won't stop me from giving them the finger.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

G-Ma I could not agree more. Hugs to you.

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TamCor Level 2 Commenter 15 months ago

I agree with you on so many points, Tony! This in-your-face, condescending, patronizing attitude that so many of the Liberals have these days has just got to go...do they NOT realize how terrible they sound? How uncaring? This world has become a scary place, and this type of attitude is one of the reasons for it, I believe!

Good hub--really good hub, thanks!

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Tammy we definitely live in a world I no longer recognize. And I do not think it is going to get better anytime soon and the reason is no matter what side of the Ideological spectrum you are on you have to be right and the other guys are the bad guys . Best to you and Tom both.

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Hmrjmr1 Level 3 Commenter 15 months ago

Tony you are a bit too young to remember but JFK was considered a liberal too. He uttered these famous lines in his inauguration speech, "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" He would be labeled a liberal heretic today, and they would be protesting in the streets the fact that he cut taxes for the richest Americans by over 50%.

It is truly a different time and the labels have been sewn over with ones from Ralph Lauren and Tommy Hilfiger.

Happy Saturday too ya though my friend. Give your mom a hug from me.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Happy Saturday HmrJmr and I know you are correct that JFK by todays Liberal standards would be a Republican. You should have seen the hateful banter at the Huffington Post when Obama kept the tax cuts in place. You woulda thought he was Dick Cheney the way they were talking. Enjoy the SuperBowl tomorrow.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 15 months ago

J.F.K., IMO, was the last president of the United States; every pseudo President since then has been a Rockefeller globalist puppet. J.F.K. was murdered by the bankers, as he'd planned on getting rid of that criminal federal reserve thing.

Obama. . . .total sell out. Treasonous pig, he's only worse than Bush in that he's a stupendously talented liar.

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Pamela99 Level 7 Commenter 15 months ago

Tony, You are a man of integrity and as you discussed the changes in the last few generations I agree with you completely. A very well written hub. California is in so much trouble and they seem determined to go bankrupt and the hell with the farmers and many other things that could be changed for the better.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Wesman I agree , JFK was the last real President. Although I do recall things being pretty good during the Reagan years too.

Pamela I do not know what is in the water here in California besides increased flouride. But I have never seen a group of people so hell bent on their own destruction by virtue of the ballot box. Thanks for dropping by Pamela.

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breakfastpop Level 8 Commenter 15 months ago

Excellent hub, tony. The character of the "liberal" has changed significantly over the years. What I see now is a different breed of animal, one who really does want to take from the rich, one who has a complete lack of tolerance for differing points of view and one who is willing to explore only the things that further their agenda and the truth be damned. The media has always had a liberal bias, but what is going on now amounts to censorship. We have lost our way and I truly believe our way of life and all we used to stand for is in danger.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

BPop the funny thing is that the young liberal today damns businesses but at the same time damns them for not giving them a job. I know that big banks and uber corporations have some dirt on them , no doubt. There are actually a couple of points I could agree with them on. But their overall world view is something I could never support. In any debate be it illegal immigration or muslim extremism they always take the side that does not support the USA. Yes I do believe that they are taught to hate themselves and wonder why people like us love our country still. Thanks for dropping by BPop, enjoy Super Sunday. I think we are still allowed to right ?

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poetvix Level 7 Commenter 15 months ago

"As we keep asking God to remove himself from our social consciousness God has been happy to accommodate us and Gods removal is directly proportional to the ever growing chaos and danger of life on this globe."

Tony, that is by far the most accurate description of our current situation I have heard in some time.

Thanks for this hard hitting hub that speaks honestly and sensibly in a world shaded by politically correct rhetoric that skews everything beyond the point where truth can even exist.

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eovery 15 months ago

I feel a lot of the same things. I do not understand where these liberals are coming from.

Keep on hubbing!

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Happy Super Sunday to you poetvix.And I maynot be the brightest guy here, I can only report it as I see it. I thank you for the kind words.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Eovery I want to say this up front I do not think that Liberals are bad people per se.Although I do believe many of them speak rabid hate and then call you the hater. I just have a completely different vision of how this world should work. And like I said the modern Liberal in no way has any of the characteristics of the liberals of 40 years ago. I suspect the Libs of yesteryear would be quite embarrassed by those who claim that mantel in the modern day. I will keep hubbing.

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SheriSapp Level 3 Commenter 15 months ago

This is a good hub, and I must concur with your assessments. I also could never be a lib as I have too much self respect and faith in my own ability to take care of myself. Today's libs just want everything for nothing, stealing from the workers to support the slackers, and they have faith that the gov knows better than any individual ever can. Frankly, the libs seem delusional, ignorant, angry, hateful, and more than a little whiny!!

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Sheri I don't want to sit here and do name calling. But there can be no doubt that we live in a time where mediocrity is fostered and self reliance is no longer encouraged. As Government grows it seems the decay of our societies problems seem to grow. Families and hard work ethic and humility are now seen as antiquated notions. These problems have been around well before Obama was on the scene. Now they are on the forefront and can no longer be denied. Thank's for dropping in Sheri.

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SheriSapp Level 3 Commenter 15 months ago

Tony,

I know that name-calling isn't good, but I am a bit petty sometimes. I guess all THEIR name calling has adversely affected me!! I agree with your assessment of a work ethic as now being antiquated.

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drbj Level 8 Commenter 15 months ago

tony - you have told it the way it is and those who supported the present regime - and it is a regime - should be ashamed at how easily they were duped.

Yes, most of us wanted Change but change for the better. We are still waiting.

This is an excellent reporting of the facts.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Sheri no worries I get worked up by them sometimes too. I am a regular at the Huffington Post and the dialogue there is anything but dialogue. I just really believe that this country not only politically but morally is so far down the wrong path and I find it so sad. And then the anti God bunch acts like it is getting better and then they talk about the crusades and pedophile Priest to prove their point. On the latter they have a case. But I get angry when they broadbrush all Christians with those values.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

drbj yes we indeed are waiting. Now for 2012 Obama is going to be highlighting his Christian values during his campaign. That will send many on the left into a tizzy as they just want God out of our lives. And I suspect he already is. The ACLU wanted to take the state senate of Hawaii to court over prayer before they commenced with doing state business. Yup this is life in the modern USA.I find it kind of sick. Thank you for dropping by.

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Harvey Stelman 15 months ago

Tony my man, Great job! I was a liberal in the 60's, Woodstock, etc. The problem has been many libs became Progressives, which meant my Party (Democrat) left me. I thought the conservates were too far right, then they moved a little left. So one Party moved away, and the other moved towards. Always being a fiscal conservative, the choice was clear. H

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CMerritt Level 7 Commenter 15 months ago

Tony, again you put words to paper that I would have to 100% agree with....I think what folks like you and I want is just plain old common sense to return to our way of life.

Hice hub!

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Harvey I fall under the same mode of thinking. I even voted for Kerry in 2004 because I was so pissed off about us being pulled into that war. Now I would not call myself hard right but definitely conservative. Harvey you rock Brother !

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

CMerritt I have said this one repeatedly in several hubs that common sense is a commodity that is in very short supply these days. And I echo your sentiments completely. I wish you a nice evening and God Bless. I hope the ACLU isn't gonna file suit now ! :)

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swb78 Level 3 Commenter 15 months ago

Tony my man! Great Hub. You and I think very much like. My mother was a real hippie and she died a liberal. I loved her dearly but we agreed to never talk politics. She thought Obummer was the second coming, LOL, Scott

Texasbeta 15 months ago

This is ridiculous. The Tea Party and the conservatives do not want smaller government. They want LARGER government when dealing with the social issues they deem important. They want every single pregnancy in the country regulated and watched, carried to full term, no matter if it was in the case of rape or incest. Don't forget, it is conservatives who historically legislate "morality", outlawing sodomy, porn of any kind, homosexuality. They want to legally define what language can be spoken within the country, to outlaw who can get married or not. This myth of smaller government is a lie, a flat out lie. The most recent example is the last election. "Jobs jobs jobs"....and what do they do immediately? Abortion. Gay marriage. IT IS A LIE! The same people who claim they want smaller government were the same people who JUST EXPANDED it 3 times its size over the last decade. So Michelle Obama give a speech that say you should make your kids go outside so they don't die of being a fat ass. That is not the government regulating how you live. Do you really think you are above advice? GROW UP! It isn't legislation. The veil of independence you portray is easy to see through when reading your hub. You aren't independent...you are a conservative apologist.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

SWB thank you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts on this matter.I rarely talk politics either..

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

texasbeta judging from the tone of your post I don't think it's me that needs to grow up.I mean if you think sodomy and porn are OK it speaks volumes about your character.And I am pro choice , I just don't think I should have to pay taxes for it.And like it or not English is our language. Multiculturalism is great but immigrants should be Americans first. Ask the prime minister of England and Germany how well multiculturalism is working for them. But best to you.

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DTR0005 15 months ago

I think your hub was thoughtfully written and, by an large, unbiased - but only to a certain point. I can agree, in part, with Texasbeta on a few key issues. The Right hopped into bed with Fundamentalist Christianity during the 1980's. And while Reagan definitely paid them lip service, he really didn't legislate from a higher, moral platform. He used the voter momentum to his advantage and gave them virtually nothing in return. Let's not forget the "War on Drugs" and Nancy Reagan as its national spokesperson. No one rational can argue that drugs are somehow a "good thing" and the Reagan Administration spent considerable sums of money but domestically and abroad trying to stamp out the supply and the demand. And by the same token, no one rational can argue that obesity is a "good thing" either. And by attempting to get food manufacturers, fast food companies to at least label the junk they put in our food can be argued for the public good as well- just as anti-drug propoganda was in the 1980's.

The Tea Party and Ultra-Right have indeed attempted to micro-manage the abortion issue - there are three bills pending in the House at this moment that are attempting to erode away what is, like it or not, the Law of the Land. And though we are technically a secular state with no state-sanctioned religion, the Tea Party and Far Right are truly about returning "America to its Christian roots..." That is their words, not mine. And I am a Christian, a pretty devout one at that, but I also realize that Jewish law, culture, and tradition from the Bronze Age through the 1st Century A.D. may not be every Americans idea of a nirvana. Pakistan is a pretty classic example of a democracy/borderline theocracy. And that is exactly what the Tea Party preaches on their moral platform.

And the Tea Party tends to put all their trust is business. And yes, business is what makes a nation profitable. But the Tea Party stands firm on the idea of laissez-faire capitalism - that is indeed the Libertarian's mantra.

Take a look historically at what laissez-faire capitalism brought us as a nation. Between 1890 and 1929 there were about eight small and large "financial crises" that make the one we are in now look like a hiccough - our unemployment is bad, but trying doubling it and then some and see what bad is really about.

The history of the Tea Party is really interesting. Its roots are in the John Birch Society - this somewhat wacky, fringe movement that started in the 50's during the McCarthy era. The founder member was a member of the Koch family - Koch Industries. Koch is the single largest supporter of American for Prosperity who are, in turn, the single largest supporter of - The Tea Party. Koch Industries has a long history of "issues" with pollution, shady deals on oil refining, price manipulation in the agricultural sector, some defense contracts. So look for a pattern here: oil, agriculture, defense. In short, liberals rail against corporate America "buying" domestic and foreign policy.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

DTR thank you for your input and I appreciate you coming by. I cannot deny that the war on drugs has been an out and out failure and I don't blame that on Reagan , I blame that on our appetite in this country for drugs. And obviously obesity is a huge problem ( no pun intended ) in this country. But a left leaning Government seems to think that people cannot use good old common sense in making decisions about the food they eat, the car they drive or any other aspect of their lives in the modern day. And while we rail at the Koch Brothers we should be doing the same in regards to George Soros who probably has more money then them anyway.

It may surprise you to know that I am pro choice, I just do not think taxpayers should be funding it.And that should also be law.And DRT there will be no perfect system or Utopia no matter which way you go, and that is because men of influence will still be making decisions that will benefit them first and us later.We are not a perfect country by any means but I sincerely believe we come closest to what the Ideal may be. And I still do not believe that the Tea Party is the fanatics the left leaning press makes them out to be. They are just average work a day people who look at life in the modern day and see that something is deeply wrong, like I do.

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prettydarkhorse Level 2 Commenter 15 months ago

your concerns and your positions on major issues are commendable Tony. You are consistent and stand for what is right and that is good...I say beautiful,

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Thank you for the kind words my beautiful friend. I cannot say that I am always right but I do believe what I believe and that is always subject to change. However there are some views of mine that will never change and my views on God are definitely one of them. Of course to those who believe they are intellectually superior which is pretty much every Lib I know, this is backwards thinking. And to them I say If you don't bvelieve in God don't worry you will ! Maita happy Valentines day to you and if nobody has told you today , you are beautiful !

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Dolores Monet Level 7 Commenter 15 months ago

The trouble with most hubs that lambast liberals (or conservatives) is that they paint the whole bunch with one broad stroke. I have friends that are very religious, yet are liberal and another good friend who is pretty much an atheist, yet is conservative. I spoke to some Teabaggers today and found that we were in agreement on several issues. The enemy is power. The 'little' guys feel threatened, have been put in a terrible economic situation, and have lost their trust in the government to do the right thing. The lower class opposing factions may have more in common than not. But we squabble in the trenches while the wealthy and powerful rule.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Delores I thank you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts on the matter at hand. I do try to be fair. But I can only report it as I see it. And the Teabagger term is not really necessary. But in relation to your point, it seems if you are not in Government now you are in the lower class faction.

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Smkmdb11 15 months ago

Great hub!

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Why thank you. I hope you might elaborate. Have a good evening.

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MikeNV Level 4 Commenter 15 months ago

Liberal is synonymous with ignorance. The masses of liberals are truly uneducated on the issues that were are facing and choose to buy into the NWO lies. It's nice to want health insurance for all for example. But the public pandering done by the liberal left is not in touch with the economic reality of the situation. The take from the rich and give to the poor sounds great to the ignorant left. The problem is there are so few "Rich" that it's not possible. And the definition of Rich leaves 99.75% of the population out of the running!

The fact of the matter is the Banking Elite (People you will never know or meet in real life as they are so isolated from the public... they do not shop, they do not attend public events, they live in secrecy) control the puppet strings. The more they can play one side against the other the longer they can perpetrate their fraud.

When you call out a Liberal on ANY issue they will have plenty to say on the issue, and they will have ZERO substance to back up their claims. All they can do is argue and create baseless accusations.

It's ridiculous for the Democratic Party in Wisconsin for example to run away from problems when there pie in the sky ideals collapse because there is no financial basis to support them.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Mike I am totally familiar with the NWO as run by the Rockerfellers and the Rothchilds. And I find it no coincidence that now the central stock exchange will be moved to Europe and guess who lives there ? The Rothchilds of course. Also I said over a year ago that here is an Ideological war going on in America and I even wrote a hub about it. Now it seems Madison Wisconsin is the first battleground obviously.So it seems that the battle lines are being drawn.And I agree the new Democrat strategy is to run away. I call that chickens**t. Thanks for dropping in Mike.

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Tom Cornett Level 3 Commenter 15 months ago

"There will always be one who wants a little bigger slice of the pie." You hit the core of the problem here Tony. We have a mediocre at best leadership that covers up incompetence with a Camelot style arrogance. The left is sleeping with Union influence and Socialists who actually only care about power and money. The right is sleeping with corporate kings and main stream religion, which has exactly the same agenda.

The people are caught in the middle and as usual...lose the most. I have the feeling that our economy is about to crumble and the politicians along with those behind them...(literally)...will use the Middle East and our own social unrest as a scape goat.

We are about to often hear,"Brother can you spare a dollar for a cup of coffee" again.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Tom I am afraid that you are probably far more prophetic then you probably want to be. But our leader from my viewpoint consistently takes the wrong side in every debate. And mainstream Republicans do the same thing , only slower. All I can say is that the American people need to put out a help wanted ad " NEED A LEADER ". There are no statesmen in the current crop of politiians. Least of all our President.

Raiderfan #1 15 months ago

Tony, it's been awhile but I thought I would drop in and see what the hell was on your mind and you didn't disappoint! I agreed with you about 85% but hell, who cares? We are all pawns caught up in phony debates, and I almost feel there is a committee of politicians and their financial supporters directing them in almost every way. Of course that's my own carazy conspiracy theory but beyond what we can see, there's got to be greater powers at play, dictating the debate, sidetracking us from the pillaging. Friedman economics got us into this recession and it's the tea party's continued belief in them (albeit they don't know they're pawns) and their myopic influence that are steering us back into a sluggish, clogged up economy. Break out the visine for everyone Tony, squeeze those drops into both liberal and teabagger's eyes (I know it's derogatory but you know me!) and let them remember we just had over ten years of unpaid war, unpaid drug benefits for seniors, and somehow its Obama's fault. It's time to pay up and all the Pro-War Republicans can do is blame Obama. His "stimulus" was almost fifty percent in tax cuts but people don't talk about that and good for Obama for not getting into the tic and tac of penny slot politicians and news pundits. I have been a project manager for about ten years now, and even though the recession has crippled me, there is still a process a project manager has to cut past, personalities, finances, and the direct path to establishing problems and finding the end solution. If these same objectives, logistical methods were applied to our financial and political problems, no one would give a damn about ideology, political affiliations, or whether or not Jesus was involved in the final resolution. I've often thought a way to manage these legislatures on all levels would be to set an agenda of importance, and let it be anonymous in decision. This would force politicians to find ways to solve the problems without lobbyist influence. What the Republicans are doing in congress is an absolute exercise in futility, I mean really, "defining rape", or "eliminating planned parenthood" does little do get the jobs going. As a wild teenager, I can tell you, planned parenthood saved the world from more goldentadpoles.

Take it from the muslims protesting for freedom, we are all one, and these divisive descriptions only separate us, when in the end we really want the same thing...a job that treats us right, a decent pay, and the ability to take care of our families. And I would enjoy another season of Raider beatdown on the Tijuana Chargers. Peace out by friend, cut down on the Fox News, and keep dreaming of that Superbowl and I will keep wishing Al would finally retire.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

Raiderfan you are right about one thing right off the bat there are power brokers behind the scenes that would have us all divided. And this group are the ones actually calling the real shots and you won't read about them on the internet or in your local paper. I have always been aware of the NWO agenda and the illuminati and all that stuff.It seems though that a real battlefield is staged in Wisconsin now. And aside from unions and regular folk like you and I we have a Koch on one side and a Soros on another. I am sad to say that this will be our new reality. I also agree with you that Iraq has broken us. I never wanted us there in the first place. I was so angry about it I actually voted for Kerry.But as long as liberal Ideology wants to mock those of us who believe in God and keep saying one thing and doing another I will never support them.Like blaming Palin for the Giffords shooting and then they have a picture of Walker with a target on his face they will never get my support.

Sadly it looks like the Chargers are going to start toiling in mediocrity again. But there might not be a season next year. Always good to hear from you Toad.

Raider Fan #1 15 months ago

I heard Toad was found floating belly up in the gulf of mexico. Rumor has it, he thought he found the mother load guiness beer and croaked.

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tony0724 Hub Author 15 months ago

I could see that being possible. Guiness is a little stout for me. I am a Heineken light guy myself. :)

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phillip goodson 14 months ago

Tony, I was a bit surprised to hear you say you weren't a republican. I like a lot of things you said here, and I agree that neither party sums me up. I too would like to see healthcare for every American, and yet I know this latest healthcare bill is far from perfect. I just detest the cable news these days, one only need to look no further than FOX news or MSNBC as examples of hate and mindless rhetoric. I miss true unbiased journalism. I want to keep my guns, and think the government has no place in the bedroom. I want to help the poor, but think the current welfare system isn't working. I think the global corporations today are getting away with murder and I want them to pay taxes too. I'm so tired of both parties following talking points and the hateful words coming from both sides. Sorry to go on and on like that, anyway great hub!

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tony0724 Hub Author 14 months ago

philip at the end of the day I think all of us share one thing in common , that we are all just human beings ! I do not trust old school Republicans but I trust Democrats even less. Feel free to vent all you want here. I think the American consciousness now more than at any point in my lifetime has a collective angst and anxiety that is palpable. Thank you for the kind words Phil.

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sunflowerbucky Level 1 Commenter 14 months ago

The idea of peace is a fabulous one. I have a friend (most certainly a hippy, quite possibly a liberal) who sent me a documentary once that really explained how peace could change the world. It was a fabulously well done documentary, and I totally got it. Unfortunately, for the concept to work 100% of people on Earth have to be on board, and I don't see that happening. It just isn't in human nature. The funny thing is, those who tout peace the loudest are often the first one willing to throw stones. Great hub, Tony! Keep fighting the good fight!

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tony0724 Hub Author 14 months ago

Bucky all of us would want peace. The only way one wouldn't is if they were a sociopath of the Jared Loughner variety. But like you said everyone would have to be on board and that will never happen. The ones throwing the most stones these days are the Libs nd then they say its their opposition that is the bad guys. Hypocrisy at it's finest. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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The Frog Prince Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

tony - Once upon a time I was a liberal of sorts. Then I had to grow up and face the responsibilities of getting married, raising children and taking care of my own. I decided I sure didn't need a Nanny State to do that for me.

Great writing my friend.

The Frog

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tony0724 Hub Author 13 months ago

Froggy thank you and may I say you are a nice addition to HP here. Keep speaking the truth !

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wba108@yahoo.com Level 7 Commenter 13 months ago

I see the hippie counter culture movement of the 1960's, to be a counterfeit movement to the Christian spiritual awakening that when occurring at the same time. That awakening was known to some as the Jesus movement. Not that the hippie movement didn't have some good ideas, it did but it shifted its emphasis off Jesus to a new man-made type spiritually.

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tony0724 Hub Author 13 months ago

wba that is certainly an interesting viewpoint. Man made spirituality is now acceptable ala kabala and such. And of course the anything goes and you shouldn't be judgemental crowd. Thanks for chiming in !

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tammybarnette Level 3 Commenter 12 months ago

Tony, amazing after reading this I believe we are kindred spirits looking across from opposite sides. My belief system sounds a lot like the hippie days you mentioned. I consider myself a middle of the road democrat who is a christian. I see the good and bad in both sides and mostly just think we need to take our country back. I want that revolution and I full heartedly believed Obama could deliver. I guess that really was foolish of me to believe that both sides could get behind that change ideology, but I hoped. I do believe he is trying, but the endless bickering on both sides grinds the wheels to a halt. I know I'm not the only person who sees that the people who are supposed to represent the interests of the people are now telling us what to believe. It's very dangerous times, but I'm with those hippies, let's give peace a chance.

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tony0724 Hub Author 12 months ago

Tammy first and foremost thank you for your input here and I really appreciate it. And I am far from middle of the road myself ,but that viewpoint is admirable.And Obama sounded good in the campaign but like the old saying goes " Talk Is Cheap ".I for one am kinda glad the wheels have halted because I have not liked the direction of this country for 15 years.But like you said Tammy we are indeed a nation divided and that is truly a shame. We even had to politicize the removal of the number one Terrorist in the world.

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 12 months ago

Your juxtaposition of the two rallies should certainly make the haters on the Left shut the hell up about the "dangerous" Tea Party. But as you know, the mode of operation of the New Left, founded on the ideas of Herbert Marcuse and Saul Alinsky, is to call good evil and evil good, up is down and down is up.

This might be your best article ever, my friend. It is deep and profound. Your words ring true. I am proud of you and I thank you.

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tony0724 Hub Author 12 months ago

James I humbly and sincerely thank you for such high praise. We do indeed live in a bizarro world now. And I always appreciate you dropping by and sharing your thoughts. Have a good day my friend.

ruffridyer Level 4 Commenter 9 months ago

I remember the hippy subculture, at least what Walter Conkrote showed. The Liberals have changed, so have the Conservatives. I agree with much of what you say. Keep hubbing.

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tony0724 Hub Author 9 months ago

ruffridyer indeed this world has changed. And aside from the technological advances we as human beings seem to be moving backwards instead of forward.

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